Comment posted Is our education system for younger kids a joke? by Adam Mac.

In 2nd grade I was taught North America was made up of only Canada, the US, and Mexico. I corrected the teacher. When an 8 year old corrects a teacher, there are serious issues.
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Adam Mac also commented

• First of all, I am a second grade teacher. I don't feel that education is a joke. The things that you have mentioned are not the brunt of the educational system. I don't know of anyone that was damaged by thinking that Columbus discovered America. (This is a matter of semantics 'discovered' meaning that most Europeans didn't know that it was here.) As far as the states of matter. Sometimes in younger grades we don't give all of the information because it is not necessary. Again, I don't know anybody that was damaged in any way by not knowing about plasma. Now, I guess a teacher could say, as I have done, that there is more to a certain topic that they will find out about in subsequent grades. The things you have mentioned are not the main problems of the education system. I think that our time is better spent on the more important problems.
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• As far as I can see, our educational system is a joke from top to bottom.

  In my last job I got to work around a great many twenty somethings. Out of a staff of fifty people, it was the majority.
  The job was a technical kind of job, and the people seemed on the surface intelligent enough. But as for them knowing anything about anything at all… another story.

  It was clear that they'd gone all the way through their schooling
  and come out with good grades, and not a thought in their mind; to a person, they lacked intellectual curiosity. The most talked about books were Harry Potter. The most referenced arts were action and monster movies. None of them could play music, or knew anything about music other than pop. Their conversations were singly lacking in any reference to any learned experience.

  I had to help one of them get through a seminar in how to
  organize data for digital archiving. It was like working with a ten year old, except the ten year old might have been sharper.

  I believe that our educational system, for a number of reasons, turns out people void of interest in the world.

  It's only about getting a job, and after that, the mind rots.

  Which is a piss poor way to train a work force that will likely have to change jobs five or six times in their lives.

  But they all had big loans to pay off. I've come to think that's all it's really about now: create a nation of ignorant, incurious debtors. Give them high paying jobs for the first few years after college to pay down the debt… then use aggressive agism to downsize all the workers after the age of thirty.

  I'm certain that this plan has actually been articulated by leaders of industry and education.

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  Meanwhile the second grade teacher chiming in below kind of proves my point:

  She sees no harm in confusing the kids with simple historical truth. She explains that the Europeans didn't know that the American continent was here… but that's not ever remotely true. The Norwegians who came here a century and a half before Columbus WERE Europeans. And she makes no effort to clear up the confusion of Dee, above, who thinks that Leif Erickson 'proved the world was round'… Actually Epicitus the Greek proved that nearly seven hundred years before Columbus, and the Chinese centuries before that.

  We wallow in self enforced ignorance, because teachers like Nubiangeek, 'see no harm done' by misrepresenting and furthering the lies of convenience taught in the past.
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• I was also told colombus the earth was round and not flat , butactually Leaf Erickson really discovered the earth was round not Colombus, so i guess i was told wrong as well , i also thought the Indians discovered America, well to be politicaly correct the native americans lol i guess they are the originaly natvive americans lol
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• Romeo and Juliet is written by Shakespeare who is great playwright. You are studying it as literature. It is a timeless story. I think one of the reasons "lies" are told in school because the truth gets complicated. You do not want to overwhelm young learners or discourage them. I took Chemistry in college and there are plenty of lies or half-truths there but they exist because they are trying to teach a larger view. Once you understand the basics then you can move on to more advanced concepts. That is how I understand it. I do not necessarily agree with it. We do need to revamp our educational system. There is no question about it.
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• YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT, THATS WHY I AM NO LONGER A TEACHER!!
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• Whats the difference on the kids activities between Day Care and PreSchool?
  It is generally the amount of education that the teacher has. Day care is generally a two year qualification (Australia) and preschool is between 3-4 years.
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• Is there a difference between having kids and having pets?
  My aunt had a monkey and it was the filthiest nastiest thing ever. It would poop in the sugar bowl, masturbate constantly and occasionally jump on your shoulder and hump your ear. Me I would rather have a kid then something I will always and forever be cleaning up their poop. Also there is no substitute for the love of a child. I dog may love you but it will love everyone. No comparisons between children and animals. I would pick children over pets any day.
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• Is there a difference between having kids and having pets?
  Kids and parrots will probably outlive you. Kids are a long term responsibility heavily weighted to the early years, and very expensive. No taking them back if they get sick or have some deformity.

  Cats are easiest. Keep their food and water bowls full and you can go on with your life but keep the litter box clean. Dogs are high maintenance, you gotta be there for them every day. Never had a monkey. parrots need companionship and they’re smarter than a 3yo, so you gotta tell them whats happening when you go away for the weekend or on vacation.

  Kids pack a heck of a legal responsibility too.
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• Whats the difference on the kids activities between Day Care and PreSchool?
  Like others have said it all depends on the quality of the environment. If the center is called a preschool and runs that long of hours, they either offer a full day program or extended care. Either way it is probably more structured than daycare.
  Even though the definitions of daycare and preschool are quite different, many people don’t take the time to understand and lump them all together.
  While a preschool teacher may not have to have an associates or bachelor’s degree, researach shows that the education level of the teacher makes a difference in the preschooler’s future educational success.
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• Whats the difference on the kids activities between Day Care and PreSchool?
  A quality Day Care offers the same sort of curriculum as a good Preschool but is all day and may also enroll infants and toddlers. There are very good day preschools and bad preschools and very good day cares and bad day cares. Each family needs to decide what meets the needs of their child.The fact that your niece is in care 10 hours a day indicates that she is, in fact, enrolled in a day care center which chooses to call itself a full day preschool. Any program that keeps kids for that many hours must be licensed as a day care no matter what it is called.
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  Over 25 years in the Early Childhood field.

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